Obomba Notion to Make Vets Pay for HealthCare an ObombaNation!

Crossposting for Concerned Vets;

Obama's response to his proposal that vets pay for their own health-care insurance
IS A RUMOR

Click on title above to see why;
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Below is the "false" post that is going around;

HERE IS HIS RESPONSE WHEN HE BACKED OFF FROM HIS DECISION TO LET
THE MILITARY PAY FOR THEIR WAR INJURIES.
SEND THIS TO EVERYONE TO SHOW JUST WHAT HE THINKS OF OUR MILITARY WHO
FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND GET HURT PROTECTING OUR
FREEDOM!!!

Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon
Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require
veterans carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540
million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for
injuries to military personnel received during their tours on
active duty.

The President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of
the opposition to his proposal.
"Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody
made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted
the risks.. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It
doesn't compute..."I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for
their country," Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for blood, just
money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its
history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be
to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I
guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow
Americans."

Please
pass this on to every vet and their families whom you
know.
Make the vets pay for
their own medical conditions, while giving free insurance to those who
aren't citizens or those who never contribute one cent of taxes..
It's an obama-nation.


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The "War on Truth" Exposed

Click on title above to go to a series of new videos exposing the TRUTH about the war on truth our govt launched waay back in the 1970s.....

http://www.freewebs.com/recruitnrevolt/thewarontruth.htm

which is still in effect, more than ever, today.

Hurry before they get "poofed." !!

CIA Admits Used "Fire Ants" for Torture

By Aram Roston / Huffington Post
July 15, 2009



A recently released legal memo describing interrogation techniques showed that Bush Administration lawyers had approved the use of "insects" in interrogations. "You would like to place [Abu] Zubaydeh in a cramped confinement box with an insect," Jay Bybee, then a Justice Department lawyer and now a federal judge, wrote in 2002. He opined that as long as the bug wasn't actually harmful, it would not violate the law to use one to scare a terrorist detainee.

That was the first mention of insects to become public. But the memo's release may make it worth looking back to a brouhaha that occurred in secret at the agency in 2005. A CIA supervisor involved in the "enhanced interrogation" program bragged to other CIA employees about using fire ants while during questioning of a top terror suspect, according to several sources formerly with the Agency. The official claimed to other Agency employees, the sources say, to have put the stinging ants on a detainee's head to help break him.

The CIA insists, however, that no matter what the man said, it never took place. In fact, even though the Bush administration lawyers condoned the use of non-harmful insects, as the memo revealed, the technique wasn't employed, the agency says. "The CIA did not use insects as part of its terrorist interrogation program," said CIA Spokesman Paul Gimigliano. "That didn't happen, period."

The CIA supervisor who purportedly bragged of using insects was, and still is, a high-level official, working at the Senior Executive Service level. Because he is still in the CIA covert side, his name cannot be published. But he was in the field and helped oversee, according to sources, the way "enhanced" interrogation techniques were used.

In fact, he was so close to the program that sources say he was caught on the CIA interrogation tapes made in Thailand inside the secret facility where Zubaydah and other terrorists were questioned. The tapes were later destroyed in circumstances currently under investigation.

"He was on the tapes," a former CIA source said. No one can know if that is true, since they were destroyed. But several sources say that although he may have been on the tapes, he actually had no direct role in interrogating anyone, but that he was present as a high-ranking supervisor. (And there were no reported insects or fire ants on the videotape.)

The official is a storied veteran of covert operations who had just returned from Bagdhad. "He's a bullshitter," said one former officer, explaining that the man had a reputation for telling tall tales and embellishing.

So what is one to make of his bizarre claim to have used fire ants to get a terrorist suspect to talk? When he made the boast, according to officials familiar with the events, he was at the CIA's bar at "The Farm," where the CIA trains case officer cadets, down at Camp Peary in Virginia. It's an old U-shaped bar, as officers decribe it, topped with cheap linoleum, and a couple of little booths like those found in an old cafeteria. The room opens up to a large lounge with a big open fireplace. Back in the old days, the area was decorated with photographs from Southeast Asia and other regions of CIA derring-do, but now it is a dreary place.

According to those who were told about the incident, the official was putting down drink after drink at the bar. "He was running his mouth," said one ex-officer, "carrying on." Sources say the supervisor bragged loudly that he had used fire ants to torment an al Qaeda suspect to get him to talk. As one version of the evening has it, he bragged of putting the stinging bugs in a helmet and then putting the helmet on the detainee.

Some officials say it should not be taken seriously. First, he was talking while people were drinking in a bar so his account was hardly reliable. Second, he'd just returned from one of the toughest war zones of recent memory: perhaps a bit of bizarre story-telling is to be expected in the privacy of the intelligence service's own bar. But it was all strange enough that complaints started quickly from CIA people who over heard the conversation.

The CIA launched its own review, the intelligence sources say. The agency concluded that there was no such torture and that the supervisor was simply making it up.

Still, that was before the release of the Bybee memo authorizing the use of insects. With new speculation that the U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder might launch an investigation into the "enhanced interrogation," perhaps it is, at least worth recalling the in-house insect buzz at the CIA.

Meanwhile, there is already an open inquiry into the question of the destroyed tapes.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aram-roston/cia-supervisor-claimed-he_b_231303.html

The Back Door Way to Ignore the Bill of Rights

by Jacob G. Hornberger

Among the most shocking aspects of Barack Obama’s presidency so far has been his embrace of the power that George W. Bush assumed to incarcerate people suspected of terrorism for the rest of their lives, without a jury trial to determine whether they are in fact guilty of the offense. There is absolutely no reason why Obama and any future president cannot expand that power to other federal criminal offenses, including drug crimes and gun crimes.

Let’s keep in mind, after all, that terrorism is a federal criminal offense. It was a federal criminal offense before 9/11 and it continued to be one after 9/11.

Under America’s system of justice, people suspected of having committed a criminal offense are indicted by federal grand juries and tried in federal district court. Examples of criminal defendants who have been indicted and convicted of terrorism in federal court include Ramzi Yousef, Zacharias Moussaoui, and Jose Padilla.





One of the fundamental principles of a criminal trial is the presumption of innocence. In order to get a conviction, the government must overcome that presumption with sufficient competent evidence that convinces a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is, in fact, guilty of the offense.

What was so revolutionary about what George W. Bush did was that he took a federal criminal offense and simply converted it into an illegal act of war, which he said gave the government the power, at its option, to incarcerate a suspected violator of the terrorism statutes for life, without the benefit of trial by jury to determine whether he really committed the offense.

Now, consider the war on drugs. Since the president has been permitted the power to declare terrorism an illegal act of war, thereby enabling him to treat suspected terrorists as illegal enemy combatants (or criminal defendants, at his option), there is absolutely no reason why he cannot do the same in the war on drugs or the war on guns (or any other federal criminal offense), especially given that many of the terrorists are using the drug trade to finance their terrorist operations and given that drug lords are using guns to commit their murders.

Each year, the drug lords kill far more people than the number of people that the terrorists are killing in the United States. The many thousands of people being killed every year in Mexico include Mexican law-enforcement agents, judges, and other government officials.

Most of the drug-war violence is along the U.S.-Mexico border. The possibility that the drug-war violence will spill over into the United States is causing U.S. officials to consider dispatching U.S. troops to the border to help civilian law enforcement fight the war on drugs. In fact, some state and local officials are now actively requesting the president to send U.S. troops to the border.

At the same time, law-enforcement officials are claiming that the one of the principal causes of drug-war violence is the ease by which people are able to purchase guns along the border. Already there are signs of a government crackdown on gun dealers as part of the war on guns.

Now, imagine that the drug lords begin wreaking violence on the U.S. side of the border, including killing sprees in which U.S. law-enforcement agents, judges, and other public officials are the predominate victims, as they are in Mexico.

With the power the president now wields to convert federal criminal offenses into illegal acts of war, there is now nothing to prevent Barack Obama from expanding such power to the war on drugs and the war on guns. That means, of course, that the U.S. government would then have the option of treating suspected drug-law violators and gun-law violators in the same was as suspected terrorists, subject to being incarcerated for life, without the benefit of a jury trial to determine whether they truly are guilty.

Thus, those who enthusiastically supported Bush’s assumption of this omnipotent power — the power to convert a federal criminal offense into an illegal act of war — might come to rue the day they did so, especially if Obama expands the principle to drug crimes and gun crimes.

Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation, publisher of Your Money or Your Life: Why We Must Abolish the Income Tax by Sheldon Richman.

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/31890/26/

Globally mandated toxic Swine Flu vaccinations are coming.

From: Freedoms Phoenix; http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?Info=0062561&From=News

Stephen Lendman
Date: July 15, 2009
Subject: Health and Physical Fitness

Mandatory Swine Flu Vaccination Alert - by Stephen Lendman

On July 13, a World Health Organization (WHO) Global Alert headlined, "WHO recommendations on pandemic (H1N1) 2009 vaccinations" suggest that universally mandated ones are coming. It stated that on July 7, the pharmaceutical industry-dominated Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization held an "extraordinary meeting in Geneva to discuss issues and make recommendations related to vaccine for the pandemic (H1N1) 2009."

There's no pandemic nor until recently a single death anywhere attributable to Swine Flu. Yet WHO said the virus "is considered unstoppable," while admitting little evidence of spread so far, most cases are mild, and many people recover unaided. Nonetheless, all countries will need vaccines and should follow these priorities as initial supplies will be limited:

-- immunize health care workers "to protect the essential health care infrastructure;" then

-- pregnant women; children over six months of age "with one of several chronic medical conditions;" healthy young adults aged 15 - 49; healthy children; healthy adults aged 50 - 64; and finally healthy adults aged 65 or older.

WTO suggested the risks in stating "new technologies are involved in the production of some pandemic vaccines, which have not yet been extensively evaluated for their safety in certain population groups..." As a result, "post-marketing surveillance" and "post-marketing safety and effectiveness studies" are essential so that countries can adjust their vaccination policies.

WHO "recommendations" are binding on all 194 member countries in case a pandemic emergency is declared under the 2005 International Health Regulations Act and April 2009 WHO pandemic plan.

It's crucial to understand that these vaccines are experimental, untested, toxic and extremely dangerous to the human immune system. They contain squalene-based adjuvants that cause a host of annoying to life-threatening autoimmune diseases. They must be avoided, even if mandated. It's also known that vaccines don't protect against diseases they're designed to prevent and often cause them. They should be banned but proliferate anyway because they're so profitable, and if globally mandated to the greatest extent ever.

Get ready because that's precisely what's coming - universal orders to risk toxic vaccine hazards. In the coming weeks, the dominant media globally will get into high gear fear-mongering mode to convince people voluntarily to submit to jeopardizing their health and well-being. It's essential to refuse and be safe and international law absolutely allows it.

Stephen Lendman is a Research Associate of the Center for Research on Globalization. He lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to The Global Research News Hour on RepublicBroadcasting.org Monday - Friday at 10AM US Central time for cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on world and national issues. All programs are archived for easy listening.
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SEE ALSO: "Studies Show & Drs Agree "Ignore Swine Flu - DO Not Vaccinate"
Click on title above to see this important ProMed article;

http://exposingfdanusda.blogspot.com/2009/06/study-suggests-doctors-agree-ignore.html

ALSO PLEASE NOTE another Important ProMed Alert:

SWINE FLU PRODUCTION HITS A SNAG

This article will show you that THERE IS NO Swine Flu Vaccine! Anything they DO come up with will be EXPERIMENTAL and the guinea-pigs R' US!

INFLUENZA PANDEMIC (H1N1) 2009 (03): VACCINE
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In this update:
[1] WHO update
[2] Canada Press report

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[1] WHO update
Date: Mon 13 Jul 2009
Source: World Health Organisation (WHO), Global Alert and Response,
EPR [edited]

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 2: WHO recommendations on pandemic
(H1N1) 2009 vaccines
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On Tue 7 Jul 2009, the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on
Immunization held an extraordinary meeting in Geneva to discuss issues
and make recommendations related to vaccine for the pandemic (H1N1)
2009. SAGE reviewed the current pandemic situation, the current status
of seasonal vaccine production and potential A(H1N1) vaccine
production capacity, and considered potential options for vaccine use.

The experts identified 3 different objectives that countries could
adopt as part of their pandemic vaccination strategy:
- protect the integrity of the health-care system and the country's
critical infrastructure;

- reduce morbidity and mortality; and
- reduce transmission of the pandemic virus within communities.

Countries could use a variety of vaccine deployment strategies to
reach these objectives, but any strategy should reflect the country's
epidemiological situation, resources and ability to access vaccine, to
implement vaccination campaigns in the targeted groups, and to use
other non-vaccine mitigation measures.

Although the severity of the pandemic is currently considered to be
moderate, with most patients experiencing uncomplicated, self-limited
illness, some groups such as pregnant women and persons with asthma
and other chronic conditions such as morbid obesity [body mass index
(weight/square of height) = 40 plus. - Mod.JW] appear to be at
increased risk for severe disease and death from infection.

Since the spread of the pandemic virus is considered unstoppable,
vaccine will be needed in all countries. SAGE emphasized the
importance of striving to achieve equity among countries to access
vaccines developed in response to the pandemic (H1N1) 2009.

The following recommendations were provided to the WHO Director-General:

- All countries should immunize their health-care workers as a 1st
priority to protect the essential health infrastructure. As vaccines
available initially will not be sufficient, a step-wise approach to
vaccinate particular groups may be considered. SAGE suggested the
following groups for consideration, noting that countries need to
determine their order of priority based on country-specific
conditions: pregnant women; those aged above 6 months with one of
several chronic medical conditions; healthy young adults of 15 to 49
years of age; healthy children; healthy adults of 50 to 64 years of
age; and healthy adults of 65 years of age and above.

- Since new technologies are involved in the production of some
pandemic vaccines, which have not yet been extensively evaluated for
their safety in certain population groups, it is very important to
implement post-marketing surveillance of the highest possible quality. In addition, rapid sharing of the results of immunogenicity and
post-marketing safety and effectiveness studies among the
international community will be essential for allowing countries to
make necessary adjustments to their vaccination policies.

- In view of the anticipated limited vaccine availability at global
level and the potential need to protect against "drifted" strains of
virus, SAGE recommended that promoting production and use of vaccines
such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live
attenuated influenza vaccines is important.

- As most of the production of the seasonal vaccine for the
2009-2010 influenza season in the northern hemisphere is almost
complete and is therefore unlikely to affect production of pandemic
vaccine, SAGE did not consider that there was a need to recommend a
"switch" from seasonal to pandemic vaccine production.

WHO Director-General Dr Margaret Chan endorsed the above
recommendations on 11 Jul 2009, recognizing that they were well
adapted to the current pandemic situation. She also noted that the
recommendations will need to be changed if and when new evidence
becomes available.

SAGE was established by the WHO Director-General in 1999 as the
principal advisory group to WHO for vaccines and immunization. It
comprises 15 members who serve in their personal capacity and
represent a broad range of disciplines from around the world in fields
such as epidemiology, public health, vaccinology, paediatrics,
internal medicine, infectious diseases, immunology, drug regulation,
programme management, immunization delivery, and health-care
administration.

Additional participants in the SAGE meeting included members of the ad
hoc policy advisory working group on influenza A(H1N1) vaccine, chairs
of the regional technical advisory groups and external experts.
Observers included industry representatives and regulators who did not
take part in the recommendation process in order to avoid conflicts of
interest.

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[2] Canada Press report
Date: Sun 12 Jul 2009
Source: The Canadian Press [edited]

Swine flu vaccine production has hit a snag, with manufacturers
reporting a disappointingly low yield when vaccines viruses are grown
in eggs. The World Health Organization [WHO] says so far the yield for
egg-based production is half or less than what manufacturers get when
they make vaccine to protect against seasonal H1N1 viruses. The lion's
share of influenza vaccine is made by companies that grow the viruses
in eggs.

New seed strains are being made in the hopes of increasing the vaccine
yield, a report by the WHO's vaccine chief, Dr. Marie-Paule Kieny,
says. But if the yield cannot be increased, it will slow the rate at
which pandemic vaccine comes out of the production pipeline, adding to
the time it takes to protect populations in countries like Canada that
have purchased vaccine. And countries that haven't pre-ordered
pandemic vaccine would face substantial delays before manufacturers
have product to sell to them.

"There's nothing to suggest it will take longer to make vaccine, if in
fact everything goes as planned. The question is: How much?" says Dr.
Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Diseases
Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. "There is nothing
magical about making this virus. The questions will be: How much?
When? and Where will it be available?"

The yield problem is revealed in presentations WHO staff made to last
week's special meeting of the expert panel that advises the
Geneva-based global health agency on vaccine issues. The body --
called the strategic advisory group of experts on immunization, or
SAGE -- was convened to give WHO counsel on a variety of questions
about pandemic vaccine use. Those include which groups should be given
priority when vaccine becomes available and whether the WHO should
recommend companies use adjuvants, which are boosting compounds that
could help stretch limited supplies.

Kieny, head of the WHO's initiative for vaccine research, was not
available for interview Sunday [12 Jul 2009]. The WHO is expected to
reveal details of the SAGE's deliberations and recommendations on
Monday [13 Jul 2009 [but not included in the preceding WHO press
release - Mod.CP]. But a report to the meeting by Dr. Wenqing Zhang of
the WHO's global influenza program says that vaccine manufacturers who
use so-called wild-type viruses (unmodified viruses like those now
circulating around the globe) are reporting yield rates similar to
what they get when they grow seasonal H1N1 viruses in Vero cells, a
cell culture medium. However, few manufacturers produce flu vaccine
this way.

Most make vaccine in eggs, using a reassortant or hybrid seed strain
designed to improve the chances of a good yield. These seed strains
can be made by a couple of methods, but the end result is a hybrid
with the external genes of the virus that vaccine is to protect
against and the internal genes of a virus with a proven track record
for growing well. Zhang's presentation says that of the various
reassortant vaccine viruses that have been made, the one with the
highest output still only generates about half of the yield seen with
seasonal H1N1 vaccine production.

Kieny's presentation calls the yield "less than optimal" and says
laboratories in the WHO's lab network are generating new sets of
vaccine viruses as quickly as possible. Her presentation illustrates
the impact low yield would have on availability of vaccine. Somewhere
between 850-900 million and 1.8 billion doses of pandemic vaccine are
already spoken for, she reports. The low end of the scale represents
what would be needed by countries with contracts if it is shown that
one shot will be enough to protect a person; the high end represents
what those countries would need if 2 shots per person are required. If
all manufacturers used the lowest possible effective dose, if yields
are on a par with seasonal H1N1 production and if countries only used
one dose per person, manufacturers could fill all their [advance]
purchase orders by mid-November 2009, Kieny's presentation suggests.

That best-case scenario also requires that all manufacturing capacity
remains devoted to pandemic vaccine and no portion shifts back to the
production of seasonal vaccine for next year's [2010] Southern
Hemisphere flu season. If companies don't use low doses and countries
that have pre-purchased vaccine demand 2 shots for all their citizens,
it could be mid-April [2010] before the vaccine manufacturers in
high-income countries have free capacity to devote to making vaccine
for middle and low income countries, Kieny's presentation estimates.
90 per cent of the world's flu vaccine production capacity is in the
high-income countries that use seasonal flu vaccine. A lower yielding
vaccine "would considerably push back the time lines," the
presentation warns. Assuming the yield is half that of seasonal flu
vaccine production, it would be mid-January 2010 before producers
could fill all contracts if they use a single-shot, low-dose regime,
Kieny estimates.

She suggests even with low-dose shots, a low-yield scenario would mean
manufacturers would not be able to fill all their existing contracts
until next June [2010] if the countries opt for 2 shots per person for
all their citizens.

[Byline: Helen Branswell]

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Communicated by:
ProMED-mail Rapporteur Mary Marshall

[see also:
Influenza pandemic (H1N1) 2009 (03): official nomenclature -- to be archived
Influenza pandemic (H1N1) 2009 (02): obesity risk factor 20090711.2482
Influenza pandemic (H1N1) 2009 - Viet Nam: patient data 20090708.2450
Influenza A (H1N1) - worldwide (86): official nomenclature 20090706.2430]
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Update on Diabolical Dick

Will we ever know the extent of what Dick Cheney was up to?

Over the weekend, news surfaced that the former vice president ordered the CIA to withhold information from Congress about a secret spying program. This came in the wake of a report Friday that showed the Bush Administration ran an "unprecedented" surveillance system that went far beyond warrantless wiretapping.

These are just more examples of the Bush Administration's disrespect for the checks and balances established by our Constitution and for the rule of law. We cannot and will not turn a blind eye to these transgressions.

Urge Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Bush Administration abuses of power!

The special prosecutor must be given a wide mandate, given the extraordinary number of allegations that have surfaced over the past few years. In addition to these most recent claims of secret CIA dealings, the prosecutor must have authority to look into questions around

* Torture and "enhanced interrogation" tactics
* Warrantless wiretapping and additional surveillance systems
* The politicization of the Bush Justice Department
* Abuse of executive privilege and signing statements
* Any other abuses of power that come to light in the course of the investigation

The Attorney General has indicated that he's willing to appoint a prosecutor to investigate a narrow set of issues related to torture.

That's not good enough.

It is critical that this prosecutor have a wide berth to investigate the totality of alleged abuses of power by the past Administration. Continued secrecy and indifference to prior misconduct will do lasting damage to the very fabric of our democracy.

Now is the time. We cannot wait for another news story about another transgression by Cheney or other former officials.

Urge Attorney General Holder to appoint a special prosecutor on Bush Administration abuses of power immediately.

Thanks for all you do.

Sincerely,

Bob Edgar
and the rest of the team at Common Cause

Chavez denounces Costa Rica mediation as trap set by Obama, Clinton

Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:52 am (PDT)

http://dianabarahona.blogspot.com/2009/07/thursday-june-9.html
Chavez denounces Costa Rica mediation as trap set by Obama, Clinton

Thursday, June 9. After initially taking the bait of a "mediation" by Costa
Rican President Oscar Arias, a long time Washington ally, Zelaya and his
foreign minister Patricia Rodas left Costa Rica.

President Hugo Chavez denounced the mediation and said that "Zelaya quickly
got out of the trap."

>From Radio Mundial:

During a press conference with national and international media, the
Venezuelan president said that it was a "crass error" on the part of the
United States to propose a dialogue. "A dialogue with whom? With these
usurpers? The same ones who at this time are persecuting Hondurans? Who have
killed several people?" Chavez stressed that that would be an outrage. "I
hope that President Arias realizes the responsibility that he has taken on."

Chavez said that the United States should correct its mistakes before it's
too late, and added that "a whole world of contradictions is flourishing"
within the U.S. government. He said that the United States should
demonstrate now its condemnation of the coup in Honduras with actions, since
there have only been timid measures.

"We are giving the benefit of the doubt, and we are believing that it was a
mistake, and we don't want to think that it was a plan by Obama and Clinton.
That would constitute a trap for democracy, a danger and a serious mistake,
not only for Honduras but for the whole American continent, what happened in
San Jose, Costa Rica," he said.

He stressed that fortunately, President Manuel Zelaya got out of that trap
quickly, and regretted that Oscar Arias wanted Zelaya and "Goriletti" to sit
down at the same table. He said that "Goriletti" should be arrested as an
international criminal.

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Durante una rueda de prensa con medios nacionales e internacionales, el
mandatario venezolano afirmó que fue un "craso error" de Estados Unidos
proponer un diálogo. "¿Un diálogo con quién? ¿Con estos usurpadores? ¿Los
mismos que a estas horas están persiguiendo hondureños? ¿Los que ya han
matado a varias personas?", se preguntó Chávez, y destacó que eso sería
indigno. "Espero que el presidente Arias tome conciencia de la
responsabilidad que ha asumido".

Indicó que Estados Unidos debería rectificar a tiempo, y señaló que en el
gobierno norteamericano "esta aflorando un mundo de contradicciones". Chávez
señaló que EE.UU. ahora debe demostrar con acciones su condena al golpe de
estado en Honduras, ya que ha habido solo tímidas medidas.< br>
"Estamos dando el beneficio de la buena fe y estamos creyendo que fue un
error, más no queremos pensar que se trate de un plan de Obama con Clinton.
Esto constituiría una trampa para la democracia, un peligro y grave error no
sólo para Honduras, sino para todo el continente Americano, esto que ocurrió
en San José de Costa Rica", sostuvo.
Destacó que afortunadamente el presidente Manuel Zelaya salió rápido de esa
trampa, y lamentó que Oscar Arias pretendiera que Zelaya y Goriletti (al que
ahora también bautizó este viernes como "Carmonetti") se sentaran en la
misma mesa. Opinó que Goriletti debería ser detenido como delincuente
internacional.-

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Published: Friday, July 10, 2009
Bylined to: Wire Services

Venezuelan President Chavez attacks USA's plan to solve Honduras coup d'etat

* Wire
Services:*Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez denounced a US-backed
effort to ease
Honduras' coup crisis on Friday even as mediators tried *-- so far
unsuccessfully --* to find a compromise by rival contenders for the
presidency.
-

Chavez objected to the very idea of giving those who ousted President
Manuel Zelaya the same treatment as the leader himself.-

The talks mediated by Costa Rica's President Oscar Arias "became a trap that
set a very grave precedent," Chavez told a news conference in Caracas. "How
horrible to see a legitimate president receiving a usurper and giving him
the same treatment," Chavez said, referring to Arias' Thursday night meeting
with Roberto Micheletti, the Honduran congressional leader who was sworn in
as president when the military threw Zelaya out of the country on June 28.

*Chavez said Micheletti should have been arrested in Costa Rica.*

**

US officials have promoted the talks in Costa Rica's capital, hoping to ease
Zelaya back into the presidency without violence while resolving the
concerns of Honduras' Supreme Court, Congress and military, which say they
legally removed the president for violating the constitution by maneuvering
to extend his time in power. That mediation at least briefly overshadowed
Chavez' more belligerent crusade to have his ally Zelaya returned to power.



The United Nations and Organization of American States *-- including the Obama administration, --*have demanded that Zelaya be returned to power so he can serve out
a term that ends in January. No foreign government has recognized Micheletti.

Arias met both Honduran leaders on Thursday, but failed to convince them to
talk together. Each continues to insist that the other give up claims to
lead the country. "We have no illusions. This may take longer than we
imagined," said Arias, who won the 1987 Nobel Peace Prize for helping
resolve Central America's civil wars.

A new CID-Gallup poll indicated that Hondurans were split on the coup, with
a slight majority appearing to oppose it. 46% said they disagreed with
Zelaya's ouster and 41% said they approved of it, according to the
face-to-face survey of 1,204 Hondurans in the days following the ouster.
Another 13% declined to answer. They were about evenly divided on Zelaya
himself, with 31% saying they had a positive image of him and 32% negative.
That was close to findings of a similar poll four months ago in which
positive views outpaced negative by percentage points. The pollsters said
the survey, conducted in 16 of Honduras' 18 provinces from June 30 to July
4, had a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points.

*Both Zelaya and Micheletti left Costa Rica after their meetings with Arias.
* While the two leaders left, delegates continued meetings with Arias' team
on Friday, but OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza said "there is lack
of willingness to discuss things."

Back in Honduras,

Micheletti said he was ready to see Zelaya come back -- "but to be sent
directly to the courts," referring to criminal charges including treason and
usurping public functions.

Zelaya, meanwhile, flew to the Dominican Republic, where President Leonel
Fernandez received him with full military honors and promised to speak for
Zelaya at the upcoming summit of the Nonaligned Movement in Egypt.

Thousands of Zelaya blocked a road and burned tires in the Honduran capital
of Tegucigalpa on Friday, but there were no reported clashes with troops or
police. One of the protesters, union member Jose Luis Vaquedano, 55,
dismissed the talks in Costa Rica as "a delaying tactic by the US government
meant to give the coup leaders time to consolidate power."

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